A podcast from Teachers College, Columbia University about play and pop culture. Professors Haeny Yoon and Nathan Holbert take play seriously. They talk with educators, parents and kids about how they play in their work and their lives, and why play matters. The views expressed in this podcast are solely those of the speaker to whom they are attributed. They do not necessarily reflect the views of the faculty, administration, staff or Trustees either of Teachers College or of Columbia University.
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🦙The Llamas in New York City 🦙
By Sahana Narayan & Tran Templeton
Sahana: I feel like a lot of adults often think that kids don’t know anything because they’re kids. And because they’re kids, adults don’t really need to pay attention to them. But sometimes kids can actually be directing you to something or teaching you something you didn’t know before. But you might never know that you didn’t know that before because you never listened to them.
Tran: Mmm, that’s a challenge too in terms of knowing that you didn’t know something.
Sahana: I mean in general I feel like adults should pay a lot more attention to what kids like, cause sometimes kids will be playing with something and then the adult will take it away or say “Oh, you don’t know how to use that properly. You’re just young.” But maybe they have a different idea of how to use it.
In our conversations leading up to this writing, we continued to flesh out some fundamental ideas that we had talked about with Nathan and Haeny on Pop & Play: that children should be heard, that they see beauty in things that adults might not.
Detectives and Columbo
By Mark Maynard
Up until about the age of 10, I was a member of a small, suburban gang of kids in Atlanta. Our time was spent riding around shirtless on dirtbikes, listening to Kiss, throwing lit firecrackers at cars, and doing our best to avoid getting beaten up by the knife-wielding teens who were always smoking in the woods. Life back then was a chaotic and sweaty endeavor, fraught with risk. And it was wonderful. That period of my life, however, ended abruptly when I was about to enter the fifth grade.
My parents, for reasons that must have made sense to them at the time, decided to relocate our family to rural New Jersey. And, just like that, I stopped leading what I thought of as a normal life. I went into a kind of pupal state for about five years. There were no bikes. There were no friends. There was just me, sequestered in my room, curled up with a geriatric sheep dog, watching the black and white television I’d been given by one of my more sympathetic grandparents.
Collecting M.U.S.C.L.E.
By Morgan Boyd
Only recently have I started actively collecting M.U.S.C.L.E figurines. While I had several of these little two-inch flesh colored toys as a child in the mid 80s, my objective in those days was not to complete a set, but merely to play with these non-poseable figures. And that is exactly what I did, devoutly, for about a year until another product came along (the Nintendo home entertainment system), and successfully diverted my attention away from the little pink Mattel toys. During this upheaval, my M.U.S.C.L.E. men were cast aside, lost to adolescent antiquity, given away, or possibly thrown away, alas, never to be seen again. The memories that these M.U.S.C.L.E. had afforded me for a brief period of my childhood were thus forgotten and locked away in a safe somewhere in the recesses of my mind.
My M.U.S.C.L.E. memory vault laid hidden deep in my subconscious for over thirty years, but the safe was finally dredged to the surface of my consciousness, and cracked open by the most unsuspecting of tomb-raiders: my four-year-old daughter. Watching her play with Barbie, LOL, Sesame Street stuffies, and Legos swung wide the door of nostalgia, flooding me with a deluge of childhood recollections. Memories of He-Man, G.I. Joe, Transformers, GoBots, and of course those most glorious little figurines, M.U.S.C.L.E awakened acres of forgotten nostalgia-laden landscapes in my mind. Anybody who has witnessed their child’s first holiday glee, knows exactly what I speak of, and has undoubtedly felt the resurfacing of this potent strain of nostalgia upon watching their offspring open gifts.
Skatable Memories
By Lucius Von Joo
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When I was student teaching I would sometimes skateboard to the school from the train station. I loved this functional way of getting around. I would skate down to the M train, grab the Bay Guardian from the free paper box and do the crossword on my way to the 19th street stop with my deck underfoot. Doing this puzzle and thinking about skateboarding were simple deep moments of daily play. The hills of San Francisco were a free amusement park ride between work and school. I looked forward to the need to get somewhere.
One day when I arrived at Jose Ortega Elementary I went up to the main office to sign in, read, and initial the daily notes admin printed out. Being included in this organized ritual as an adult made me feel included into the world of teachers I longed to be a part of. When I was at the front desk the principal walked by and spotted the skateboard leaning against my leg. I can’t remember the comment Ms. Koch led with, but it ended with me having to hand over my skateboard to store in her office until the end of the day. I had entered the building feeling I was just old enough to teach, but this moment made me feel like a kid trying to get away with something. This familiar feeling of surveillance for doing something I deeply enjoyed put me in an awkward place. While I was a green to teaching I had been skateboarding for over a decade. An act that made all the streets, curbs and sidewalks a place of possibility.
Babysitters Club Meeting
By Hannah Holbert
“We’re totally going to talk about menstruation.”
Hi, I’m Hannah Holbert. I’m the mother of two great kids who, despite being partially raised by their iPads, have turned out brilliant! I also have a good husband (I mean he’s no Watson Brewer…)! My husband has a job, which is nice since I don’t (sorry Elizabeth Thomas-Brewer). He is some kind of an academic though I’m not quite sure what he does. I know he plays with stuff and pops stuff so I’m guessing he’s in the field of… I wanna say balloon research? Whatever. Balloons are not what I’m here discuss. Indeed balloons are lightweight compared to the enormity and importance of my task. I am here to talk about The Babysitters Club (BSC).
That was my introduction, which is an integral part of a BSC book or episode.
As a middle schooler in the early 90’s I was a fan of the BSC books. As a 41 year old mom in 2023 I’m an even bigger fan of the Netflix series based on the BSC! Sure, the families depicted on BSC can all afford to live in Stonybrook, Connecticut, which isn’t exactly representative, but at least they go to public school (unlike those assholes on Gossip Girl)! And while the depiction of economic diversity is laughable, the kindness and respect given to most other social issues is, like, totally woke! There are so many times I cried watching the show: tears of nostalgia, tears of happiness, and occasional tears of woe—“Claudia’s Sad Goodbye” much.
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